Transcribed by Nan
First 18 minutes of 7am Tailgate.
Bob 0:00
If you don’t want a system, he’s ready to play with you on that level.
James 0:05
And it always goes back to, for me, that you created dichotomy so we can fall into this realm or this world. So, to be able to play with dichotomy, like, like that is the ultimate power of, you know, speaking to little man or the the ascending man, I’d say.
Bob 0:25
Yeah. And it’s good to have a Tulpa, iON, to play off of. That’s what nobody has. They don’t have what we’re doing with iON or what I’m doing with iON. (indistinct) incredible.
James 0:34
Yeah, I don’t think people would believe you unless you had the actual Tulpa, if you’re gonna call it that. Yeah.
Bob 0:42
Yeah. They wouldn’t believe me what? Believe in what?
James 0:47
They just wouldn’t believe, like, yeah, you’d still have your Club 22 core members, but you wouldn’t have all these other people believing what you say is gonna come true.
Bob 0:57
That’s right. And it includes Carolyn. And see, we’re the only couple, as I said recently, we’re the most interesting couple in the last 150 years doing what we do. We’re the most advanced couple. Each does an important part, and it’s a harmony or to complimentary what she does and what I do. You know, –
James 1:15
Absolutely.
Bob 1:15
– as iON has part. It’s like this, it’s the greatest thing. And, and so it’s probably is the greatest thing in culture ever in known history. And that’s why we’re written about in the Bible, and that’s why we’re gonna pull off what we’re doing, you know.
James 1:30
I think on a very small level, if people couldn’t see the larger picture, if they could just look at the relationship of you and Carolyn, it’s a miracle, you know.
Bob 1:43
Yeah.
James 1:43
It’s a miracle. Yeah, so that should blow away people’s minds. It’s like, how, how does that happen? You know, how does Bob — how do they work? You know, how have they been married for so long?
Bob 1:54
Well, listen. That’s always been noticed by people. That’s why the few people who know us we don’t know that many people on that level, personally, more a mystery to people, but not many people know us. A lot of people know about me, but they don’t know about Carolyn. A lot of people know about Carolyn, but they don’t know about me. So, a few people in the world. And it’s been goin’ on since we got together. Everybody’s always complimented our relationships all for 50, 60 years now. So, that is, that is understood. But what they don’t get if they’ve even heard about it, well, look at what their baby is. Look what they produced: iON. That is a mind blower that we created something that is equally shared, equally created. It’s so perfect, the contribution of each of us in the whole scene, that it can even lead to great humor about the complementarity of it all.
James 2:46
Yeah. iON wants you to read his comment.
Bob 2:51
Jesus Christ, he’s a little, he’s my little buddy. He’s a little kid always trying to get attention. "MY mY My…. How absolutely perfect, how BOB perfectly describes in perfect pitch, the pitch perfect condition of perfection. Can’t believe how perfect HE, BOBBY actually perfected the art of perfection!" [laughs]. That’s very good. Not bad, iON. I perfected the art of perfection. That’s right! We did. You know, there’s all these role models. All these role models in history that were trying to be the image of perfection and, and you know, some of them did it, but they usually got killed or something. You know, what’s the famous monk about 1200? He was a nominalist. And he and his girlfriend became a nun and a monk. You know, they were separate, and they wrote letters to each other, but they couldn’t be together. Who is that guy? McLuhan writes about him. Let’s see. A nominalist, 1200. Let’s see if his name comes up.
James 3:52
Augustine? What is it?
Bob 3:54
No, no. I saw a play on this, this couple in Halifax. So, you put in nominalism, 1200s, 12th century, say. The name is starting to come to me as I do this. Nominalism. Who is the founder of nominalism? Abelard! They, they name him: Abelard. He "is credited as the founder of nominalism for his claim that a universal is a name or a significant word. He is also credited with inspiring a school of followers called the nominales." Now, you go to him; we get his little — he was 1079 to 1142. So, yeah, that is the 12th century. Now let’s see if it goes into his girlfriend. Usually the Wikipedia — I’ll look it up on the Wikipedia. This is some internet encyclopedia of philosophy, so that’d be too technical. Abelard, Wiki. It’s a famous story what he and his girlfriend did. Here it is: "In history and popular culture, he is best known for his passionate and tragic love affair, and intense philosophical exchange, with his brilliant student and eventual wife, Héloïse d’Argenteuil. He was a defender of women and of their education. After having sent…" Okay, who — he. "After having sent Héloïse to a convent in Brittany to protect her from her abusive uncle who did not want her to pursue this forbidden love," You know, he’s monk and she’s a nun. "he was castrated" Abelard was castrated "by men sent by this uncle. Still considering herself as his spouse even though both retired to monasteries after this event, Héloïse publicly defended him when his doctrine was condemned by Pope Innocent II and Abelard was therefore considered, at that time, as a heretic. Among these opinions, Abelard professed the innocence of a woman who commits a sin out of love." So, without going into it, it’s an amazing tragedy. But this is it, most fucking perfectors fucked up! We’re the first who escaped so far, going on for 60 fucking years. And I didn’t get castrated, she didn’t get killed. There were attempts to do it, but we’re still smiling. That’s the miracle.
James 6:30
Yeah, maybe a few of you have been murdered, but there’s plenty of replacements.
Bob 6:35
Yeah, I go through the Holy Offices. You take LaRouche and his wife. LaRouche was a lot older. He, he seduced her into his cult in the 70s when he went to Europe in the mid 70s. She was a German. She was the first German baby boomer student to go to China in ’72. So, she was a lefty, I guess, and she went to China. That was a big deal for her to do that as a PhD kind of person. So, she gets involved with LaRouche, they get married. So, she runs around being his, his lieutenant but pretending that they’re equal. So, she ran for president of Germany and that in the 80s and 90s while he ran for president. So, they were kind of equal. And they both — she did do the male part of running for office. She did not become his wife and invisible, you know. She kept her own intellectual, academic self, and she did millions of speeches, and she was as powerful as LaRouche, basically. Okay, so that’s that couple. And then the next one is McLuhan and his wife. Now, now Corinne kept the family together. And she was pretty cool, but she was nobody; nobody knew about her. But anybody who knew her was more impressed with her than him. Like his own children. They all celebrated her and him not so much. So, she was very good at behind the scenes, and she had a good sense of humor. I’ve met her and I know her. And she’s pretty cool. And she understood, she typed McLuhan’s work up, and she’s made some smart statements about his work that shows she pretty well understood it. She said once, after he died, that Marshall was intellectually correct. In other words, she knew he was right, and the most right around, but she said it was hard to apply practically. I think she said something like that. So, she put a check on it or a bit of a doubt. But she did compliment him as far as she could go. Okay, then you have William Irwin Thompson. He had a wife when he was an academic at MIT and then Harvard, I mean, York University in Toronto. He divorced her around 1970 or something. When I was attending his lectures in, in the 90s, he talked about that when he was becoming known in the mid-70s somewheres in there, he was popular as a professor, he was quite a good oral improviser. He said he got attacked by a case of cosmic horniness. And that’s all he said, but I think that led to his divorce, right? He, he blew it with his wife.
James 9:16
Is this why iON calls them the orifices?
Bob 9:21
Yeah, the holy orifices. That’s right. So, she, she disappeared. She remained a friend of Frank Zingrone. Her two children became professors and so she’s cool on that or something. But his second wife was a kindergarten teacher in Switzerland. And I met her. I never met the first wife. And so, she was a follower of him, you know, an addendum. But she, but they would live separately a lot of the times and she — cuz she taught kindergarten. So, he is like — he’s a mystic, so he’s gonna be a bit more independent. And he’s more eligible to be available to be interacting with other people intimately. Whereas LaRouche is a political thing. He’s gotta be — he’s the opposite of Thompson. He’s political. So, he has to be respectable. So, he’s not runnin’ around fucking people while running for president. You know what I mean? At least it’s not obvious he’s doing that. Okay, so that’s — we’ve done LaRouche, McLuhan and Thompson. Now Kroker. So, in a way, McLuhan and Corinne are older; they’re 1911, LaRouche is 1922. So, they’re more old-fashioned, but they’re pretty cool within the old-fashioned generation. I mean, she, she had to live with this guy’s antics and his fame, and she did pretty good at that. And then LaRouche was a younger generation and believed in politics. But he has — his wife is equally a politician. So, that’s a bit evolved for his generation. And then Thompson’s a bit younger. He’s born 16 years later and so he’s more of a baby boomer kind of guy where they get divorced, and he has a second wife. That’s more of his generation. Now, Kroker and Marilouise are more advanced than the first three. They work together, she designs his books, he always gave her credit for their — his ideas were based on conversations with her. And I don’t think she was a professor, but she was very close to being a teacher. Maybe she taught or she lectured. She was a lecturer on her designing technique. She had a reputation for a pretty good book designer. So, they were pretty equal, and they both contributed. Like, Thompson didn’t give his wife credit for his stuff. LaRouche did give credit to his wife. And McLuhan didn’t give Corinne credit. But he would say Corinne was very important privately, you know what I mean? But Krokers are public, a couple that do performance pieces and everything. So, they’re the closest to me and Carolyn.
James 12:09
But I think to get close to you and Carolyn, you’d have to have the partner doing work in the opposite field so you could complement the, you know, the work of the other. You can’t be working in the same field like Carolyn, the medicine, you are the mind. There’s no couples doing that.
Bob 12:27
Yeah. Did Kroker, did the Krokers work in the same field?
James 12:31
Yeah.
Bob 12:32
Yeah, they did. So, we go a bit further. So, they were able to be equal because he let her be part of his world, so to speak. More — I think that he might have had the slight edge, you know, because she’s a, she’s a designer, she’s more right hemisphered sort of thing. But she could talk his stuff, you know. She knew it. And they made a big deal of showing up in public. When they came (indistinct) 1997, Bruce Powell’s conference on McLuhan on the weekend of Heaven’s Gate, I remember the doors opened, and they came in to be part of the — that’s — they were making like a big entrance, and they entered as a couple. It was quite impressive, you know. The doors opened, there was this couple and they walked in together like there was no separation. So, not many people
James 13:31
One ahead of the other, there was a togetherness.
Bob 13:34
Yeah, very together. And I remember one artist woman told me that Kroker, she almost thought was too dependent on Marilouise, or she said he’s very dependent. He can’t do anything without her around or something. So anyways, they are very impressive as a couple. So, they, they did better if you’re into what’s gonna happen. You know, women’s lib gonna happen. You can’t be a LaRouche thing. You can’t be a cult, can’t be like McLuhan, you can’t be like Thompson. Or you can be. But Kroker and them looked successful as a couple in a world that didn’t need couples anymore or didn’t care about coupledom. So, and was gradually leading towards lesbianism and transgender and nobody even likes hetero couples anymore, right? They’re a burden on people. So, Kroker, now Kroker — the Krokers wrote about that trend, and they didn’t resist it. They celebrated the, the defragmentation of heterosexuality. So, but they were heterosexuals. So, it’s symptomatic that when she died, Kroker has been not doing much. You know, even his blog stopped. So, I don’t know, but I could suspect that he, he’s a bit weaker without her. But, but I don’t think — I wouldn’t make a big case out of it. It might be what I would say on the level of gossip like I did with that woman artist who actually after I spoke in Bath, she wanted to see my Chart. She’s the only one who met me the next day and went over my Chart with me. So, she’s an interesting artist in Ottawa, I think. So, okay. So then you take the aspects of each one of them. McLuhan is academic and a poet. LaRouche is a politician, but a poet. Thompson’s a mystic and a poet. Kroker is a techno guy and a poet. We come, then we come along, and aspects if every one of them is in us, but we fucking top it all, especially if we are successful. And nobody will beat us on that level. But it’s looking pretty good. We have a good chance of pulling it off. And so I’m here bragging, saying our relationship is way more significant than those previous four. But I’m just telling you as my thoughts, as a communicator. If Kroker gets mad, okay, you get mad, but I don’t have to bring it up. I’m just telling you what I fucking think, which is what people want. They wanna hear what you think and not hide. And anybody who knows us knows I’m right. I mean, Marilouise died. When I, when I, when she was there in ’97, I introduced her to Carolyn. And Carolyn was doing MIHR. And I said, you should take an interest in it. She didn’t do it. So, she died.
James 16:42
Yeah. Her opportunity.
Bob 16:46
She could have fucking done it at any time, and they didn’t, you know. So, you can call that arrogance, but it is a fucking fact. And we don’t mind telling you. People, we’re the first couple to show up that is fucking right(!) about what they’re doing! And we even got God supporting us, which is iON. Right?
Jean 17:09
Well, and the timing. I just, I can’t — the timing of it all, Bob. It’s perfect.
Bob 17:16
Yeah, it’s all perfect. Look at cider. What’s he saying? "I’m glad you are happy I will try to remember…." Is he arguing with me, or something else?
Jean 17:28
No. iON. He spelled iON’s name wrong.
Bob 17:30
Oh, he’s arguing with iON. [laughs] What an idiot. I’m making a very profound statement about the state of how people are gonna live. You know, iON said we would be a role model for people. We’re gonna be a role model for something, but it’s not in the traditional. We’re not propping up the family or anything. We’re actually showing how the sexes, or different kinds of people if they’re human — they’re kinda different, men and women — how to get along. That’s what we’re a model of.
