Transcribed by Nan
Bob 0:01
Okay, now the War of the Roses is a new factor that iON brought in. Now that’s, that’s on my chart. I think Henry V was the victor of the War of the Roses. Is that right, iON?
iON 0:14
He was.
Bob 0:16
Yes. So, what is — now, I’ve got that in the Dobbs quadrant. Me being a successful quadrant where the other four were tragedies. What is it about the War of the Roses that’s still going on? Is that the fact that the Queen’s family can trace their roots back at least back to there if not 1000 years?
iON 0:37
Yes.
Bob 0:38
What’s going — is the War of the Roses still going because that’s part of the empires, and the Queen, and others of that war?
iON 0:46
Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It’s never been settled.
Bob 0:50
So, is that a battle between the Plantagenets and the Tudors, or Tudors and the Scots?
iON 0:57
No. Naw, see, you can say the Stuart’s in it, but yeah, yeah. And then you’re gonna get to the damn d’Medicis. It’s just
Bob 0:55
Oh, it’s the whole European faction.
iON 1:07
Yes. The whole debacle that’s falling. The whole debacle that’s falling which is the, by essence, your very European Union itself!
Bob 1:08
Right.
iON 1:08
Which is all but crushing and falling away. They’re still fightin’ over who’s in charge over a thing that none of its gonna survive.
Bob 1:28
[chuckles] Are they what has always controlled America the last 300 years?
iON 1:34
They haven’t. They haven’t, they haven’t controlled America the last 300 years, so Bob.
Bob 1:40
Hmm. So now America is Trumpized and victorious, getting dragon qualities, so Europe falls apart.
iON 1:48
Sovereign. Sovereign.
Bob 1:47
Getting sovereign. It’s completing what
iON 1:50
Not getting. They are sovereign. That’s why the Queen doesn’t even fuck with it anymore.
Bob 1:58
Right. So they’re, so they’re fighting among themselves, the Europeans. They can’t fight America.
iON 2:04
Over who’s in charge when there’s nothing left to fight over.
Bob 2:08
Right. Okay, quoting the Kroker quadrant which is satellite squared going into the Thompson quadrant. So, that’s pretty good I say in my notes. And iON likes to say that everything ends up in the Thompson quadrant. What did you mean by that? Why would everything end up in the Thomson quadrant?
iON 2:25
It has to. That’s the un, the unprescribable. It’s the part that can never work out.
Bob 2:32
The ineffable. Oh, isn’t that the Non-Physical?
iON 2:37
But that’s all that everybody’s talkin’ — it’s funny that the ineffable part is the only thing everybody’s talking about.
Bob 2:45
Always. In their mysticism.
iON 2:48
And there’s the rub.
Bob 2:49
And that’s the Thompson quadrant would we say?
iON 2:51
That’s correct.
Bob 2:53
Right. So, you emphasize the mystical part, Carolyn, the ineffability, you lose the basic knowledge of the power in your words. It’s simpler, right iON?
iON 3:03
True.
Bob 3:04
Yeah, that’s why the astral zone is a big extension of little man, Carolyn. And it’s, it’s falling away.
iON 3:12
We say too much woo-woo.
Bob 3:16
Yes, too much woo-woo, Carolyn. Okay, so, the — in March 8, 2014, the Malaysian Airline MH370. That plane disappeared. Now, what was funny, two days before that Matthew Hurtado, MH, he was 37 had a private session. That was actually the last private session back in 2014. So, this thing disappeared. Matthew disappeared a couple of weeks later. Is there a metaphor of the MH370 plane disappearing and Matthew committing suicide, social suicide?
iON 4:04
Yes. Yes, the same. It’s an example. They weren’t, they weren’t linked, but they occurred simultaneously.
Bob 4:13
And that’s Bob’s xenochrony. Bob’s reality is expressed in events in the Outer Kingdom.
iON 4:19
That’s correct.
Bob 4:20
Right. So, where I think you explained this way back in the archives, the plane went to another world. This is not the one with the AIDS people on it. Right?
iON 4:33
Right. The scientists. You’re talking about the scientists?
Bob 4:36
Yeah, that were gonna steal our drops to solve the AIDS thing in Australia. This one what I think this one dropped materials over the Crimean area or into the Ukraine. And then Israel was mad at somebody for making that and there was almost a little war there. Wasn’t that all part of that flight?
iON 4:58
Yes, it was.
Bob 4:59
Now, when a plane — now, the plane went to another world. Is there always debris leftover in this world?
iON 5:06
No. They staged that ’cause they were had to have some documentation.
Bob 5:11
Right. So, I read a — JW sent me a long article on that. And a lot of the questions, and the main guy, the amateur who started investigating and finding the debris, he didn’t know it was put there and washed up on the beach. But they were shooting at him he thought, trying to kill him. They were just trying to get rid of him because he was inconvenience to the, to the conspiracy that already happened and put the stuff on the island. He was just an outsider who could become a nuisance, or he wasn’t being shot at. His paranoia was based on reality?
iON 5:50
Well, there’s a problem with paranoia. It has to have some thread. Otherwise, you’re just crazy.
Bob 5:58
All right. Well, was somebody trying to hurt him?
iON 6:02
Yes.
Bob 6:03
And they were doing that because he was investigating the washed-up debris too much, which then leads into finding out somebody planted the debris.
iON 6:11
More, more questions that you can’t really answer. There’s nothing, there’s nothing sinister.
Bob 6:16
Right. Well, was he encouraged to — it’s sinister?
iON 6:22
Not.
Bob 6:20
No, not that sinister. Right. But he he was directed to find the crash materials washed out in the beach. You put that out there, that confuses things like they did with the Warren Commission.
iON 6:27
Correct. Yeah, that’s right. Right back to Jack Ruby.
Bob 6:43
Right. Okay, I think we did — was Meyer Lansky a really powerful figure, or was he just limited to the mafia?
iON 6:55
Too much mafia, and then he forfeited — he wasn’t super powerful before he yielded himself. He had too many bloodsuckers on the payroll.
Bob 7:07
Right. So, you said he was almost powerful and too powerful. And then he yielded himself. Is that what you said? He capitulated? He had a lot of power. But it was too much for him to handle.
iON 7:25
It was overwhelming. It wasn’t really power, it’s more like abject respect that got overplayed.
Bob 7:34
And so he capitulated.
iON 7:38
He had no choice.
Bob 7:39
He gave it up and I think he ended up in jail.
iON 7:44
It happens.
Bob 7:45
Yeah, what, what was the, what decade was the peak of his power and he was still in charge of it, it hadn’t flipped into abject worship? During World War II, the 40s?
iON 7:59
Just a hair before that, when it’s like the end of the roaring 20s.
Bob 8:04
Oh, okay.
iON 8:05
Everything was sort of stable. It was not so quite so wild, but yet not quite there yet either.
Bob 8:12
Well, it was becoming wild because the economy crashes in ’29. So, you’re talking about before ’29.
iON 8:20
Yes, just barely.
Bob 8:23
And Andrew Mellon, some relative of Peggy, he conspired to get whatever the mafia had acquired during the Prohibition to get that out of their thing. So, they crashed the economy to reorganize it. Is that valid?
iON 8:38
Update it. Update it.
Bob 8:42
Update it, right. So, Andrew Mellon did do that.
iON 8:47
Yeah, he did.
Bob 8:47
Cause the collapse.
iON 8:48
And it wasn’t, and it wasn’t like trying to tear up the world either. When it was sincere in its process, it just didn’t go very well.
Bob 8:56
Right. Like the new radio environment, the new free information, new wealth was confusing visual space economics.
iON 9:06
Correct.
Bob 9:07
The old economy.
iON 9:08
The joke is they couldn’t see their own accounting.
Bob 9:12
Right, right. ‘Cause it was audio, not visible anymore.
iON 9:17
True.
Bob 9:17
Because radio experience was new wealth. People could enjoy that reality and not have to pay much for it.
iON 9:25
And now they don’t listen to it at all.
Bob 9:28
Yeah, they don’t listen. Well, they’re enjoying the tactile interplay of the Android Meme, Chip Body, and the Tech Body. That’s a different sensibility. And it makes wealth out of nothing. But it, the experience itself is more wealthy than any money interpretation. Any money condensation of the actual wealth that people engage. I mean, people engage day in, day out on the Black Mirror, and it’s a new reality to experience. And it distracts from the old practical hardware issues. You agree with that?
iON 10:05
We do.
Bob 10:06
Okay. So, what was the final point? We’re talking about the economy and oh yeah, in the 50s and 60s, he, for Meyer Lansky, he took on too much. But other mafia gangs rose. And you had Frank Sinatra; Dean Martin; the black guy, Sammy Davis Jr.; The Rat Pack; Peter Lawford. Were they totally indebted to the mafia for their Hollywood success and their Las Vegas world?
iON 10:38
They where, they were mafioso.
Bob 10:42
Were they actually guys who went out and beat people up and shot people like the regular mafia?
iON 10:49
They had it called done, yes. They had to put in work.
Bob 10:53
So, they were powerful, they were mafia dons in their own sphere. Or were they beholding to the actual mafia dons that
iON 11:04
By that right definition, by that right definition, not so much. But everything up to that right definition in this case, yes, they were stronger than you knew. Yes.
Bob 11:16
Yes. Stronger than you knew, but you said according to that right definition. Then what did you say?
Carolyn 11:20
(in background) They weren’t dons.
iON 11:21
The corrective.
Bob 11:22
Yeah, they’re not don’s and they were controlled by the secret mean, you know, street-level don’s. But they had a lot of power anyways on their own that they could do their own scene that the, the old don’s didn’t interfere with. Right? You like that?
iON 11:46
Correct. Correct.
Bob 11:47
You see, the wealth of Hollywood, Carolyn, bypass the, the money wealth of the gambling, prostitution, liquor dealing, old dons of the 20s, 30s and 40s. Right? So, you have Sinatra and them get new power in the image world.
iON 12:07
Correct.
Bob 12:08
Yeah, so, it sidelines the old guys, but the old guys control the money part and they can make someone a star or stop them. So, remember they put the horse’s head was it in Frank Sinatra’s bed, Carolyn? The famous story. They scared somebody.
iON 12:28
No. It was the Gambino, the Gotti.
Bob 12:34
Well, no, that’s later. The horse’s head is in "The Godfather" movie in the 50s, 60s. So, that was a battle among the dons of that day. So, who is someone who became a star through that system and ascended, transcended it and moved beyond the control of the old dons and maybe weren’t doing their own smoting anymore? Did anybody ascend from that background, had success?
iON 13:03
It all, it all, it was withered. It was all borrowed. See, when you borrow against the original, you gotta pay the piper, so they couldn’t make it. So, no, they did not.
Bob 13:13
And John Kennedy caught in the crossfire of those factional fights. And so, when Kennedy
iON 13:20
He was, he might as well have been a don himself with his whiskey run.
Bob 13:25
Yeah. So, he was a don and he was taking on the other dons and trying to make lockdown of his own "Johnrule." And when he got removed, it weakened the Rat Pack who were very involved with John Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe. Correct?
iON 13:41
It did. It did. It changed their perception and direction. They’re as strong as they ever were, they just look differently at it now.
Bob 13:51
Yes. Lansky moved across the planet, set up resorts in the Caribbean and all that. They moved out of the, out of the American cities, became global. And that’s when who’s the guy in New Orleans? That was.
Carolyn 14:09
(in background – inaudible)
Bob 14:10
No, no, the mafia guy that Robert Kennedy kicked out but he came back and he said he’s gonna chop their head off. Take the tail. Garrison went after him. A famous mafia guy. He, he did pretty good for the next 20 years. So, some of the mafia that offed Kennedy that weakened the Rat Pack, but Marcello, that was his name. Carlos Marcello and them, it consolidated their power with Nixon and moved across the Caribbean and across the world. Would you agree with that, iON?
iON 14:42
Yes. Yes.
Bob 14:44
So, they ruled for a while, but by the late, well, by the mid-70s when Gambino got shot and they all start fighting among themselves. And then the FBI moved in in the 80s and took over the Teamsters and that kinda weakened the mafia. Then you had "Johnny Come Lately," like John Gotti, who got a bit of success for a while, but then were put away.
iON 15:05
Well, it was borrowed. See, it was borrowed from the power. The family was supposed to protect it. The family was the god. That’s what was wrong with it.
Bob 15:14
Right. So, are any of those guys, those families, whatever’s left over are they aware of what we’re doing? Are they interested in that or it’s beyond their pay grade?
iON 15:25
Now, a little bit. They’re interested in anything that makes it work ’cause they were falling apart. So, yeah.
Bob 15:30
Right. And they’re infiltrated the Department of Justice and all that. They’re all mixed in there now, the good and the bad. I’ll have to look at that movie, The Garden of the — is it the Finzi-Continis? No, the delights; there’s two movies. There’s the Finzi-Continis about Italian struggles with the Nazis, I think, and then the one you’re always quoting of good and evil. What’s that title? The Garden of Good and Evil?
Carolyn 16:00
(in background) Midnight.
Bob 16:01
Garden of midnight?
Carolyn 16:02
(in background) "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil."
Bob 16:04
Yeah. iON,
iON 16:05
Jim Williams. Jim Williams.
Bob 16:08
Right. Now, is that about the 80s and 90s that movie? It’s not about the mafias of the past or the gangs in Italy.
iON 16:16
No, it’s not about the — no, no, no, no, no. Not at all.
Bob 16:23
Does it reflect something that’s happened since 2008 or before pre McLuhan, pre Marshall, pre Mary McLuhan or post Mary McLuhan?
iON 16:32
Post Mary McLuhan.
Bob 16:33
Right. Okay, so I gotta see that. I don’t think I’ve seen it. I’ve seen the "Garden of Finzi-Continis" made in the 70s about the Nazi era and the problems with the oligarchy in that situation. Okay, so you have a final point, Carolyn.
Carolyn 16:50
(in background) No. Come on.
Bob 16:51
Why? What’s the, what’s the rush?
Carolyn 16:53
(in background) I’ve got things to do.
Bob 16:55
Oh, okay. All right, iON. Excellent information today. Breakthrough gains.
iON 17:00
Fabulous. Fabulous.
Bob 17:02
Thank you very much.
iON 17:02
Fabulous indeed. On the road to Wellville.
Carolyn 17:04
Thank you, and yeah, let JW stay on. I have a question, please. Thank you, iON.
iON 17:11
Will do. Yes, indeed. Yep.
Bob 17:13
So, I’ll stop the recording, Carolyn.
Carolyn 17:15
Okay, I’ll go on
iON 17:16
We are complete.
Bob 17:18
Thank you, iON.
