Transcribed by Nan
Bert 0:00
Yeah, but you know, it’s funny, I need to go back. I’m gonna switch this topic now, Bob. I have the notes from Carolyn’s first — from the last Private Session of the first 7 Rings. And now the 8th Rings. It makes me think it’s just like when I listened to Revelations and going over the Keys and Aethyrs, you know, I was set on that and had notes on that. And then when iON went through with Carolyn and Ginney, and Gregg, they totally obsolesced almost everything that they did in the first Revelation session. And they’ve done the same thing with the Rings. It’s really, it’s amazing. It’s really amazing. And it helps me ’cause I have a question coming about the Rings that I’m looking into right now.
Bob 0:47
Yeah. Are you saying what you heard tonight obsolesced the first 7, 6 Rings?
Bert 0:51
The last 8. Eight through 14. What I heard tonight obsolesced what I heard in the original Revelation series. And then the first session that Carolyn did for 1 through 7 obsolesced those. And just hearing this tonight, I’m just blown away. It’s totally
Bob 1:06
Right. Well, this is what I want to talk about. I got a pattern out of it. Let’s see. Let me express this. So, you start, you start with the three statements iON says. iONdom is here to help you Ascend. So, you take in information — it’s never heard before, part one. Part two is you take the products. And part three is you decide whether you can stay with it or do it, whether you like iONdom or not. Right? Remember those three levels; you get exposed to new information that prepares you for the drops back then. You would talk about getting the drops. And then our products we add to that. And then you decide after a while whether you want to continue Ascending or not. You have to figure out your relationship to it. So, if we go back at the — and we also know that the first 6 Rings are the inner landscape of a person, the chemistry.
Bert 2:16
Yes.
Bob 2:16
And then the last 6 Rings are 7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14. Seven Rings are the outer world of frequencies and Outer Kingdom almost. So, inner and outer. Now, I would have to ask iON is the chemistry that you do in the first 6 Rings part of the Inner Kingdom? I don’t think so because emotions are in the second Ring 9, the stabilizable emotions.
Bert 2:48
Yes.
Bob 2:16
And emotions are Inner Kingdom. So, I don’t know if you could put emotions in the first six Rings, which would be the inner landscape, so probably doesn’t work. But anyways, taking these three levels, you begin with Ring 8, and it’s the nomenclatures and markers; the Catholic Stations of the Cross; a schizo gyroscope; and let’s see. Bifurcation, how the 140,000 are created. So, that is — what did I say it was? We’ll call that the information: 1,2,3. Part one is information. Call that the information. Then Ring 9 is the emotions; that might be still considered part of the information. Then Ring 10 is the seven churches or stations and outcomes of the vial judgments. So, they are the judgments of yourself. That’s part three. Ring 10 is the judging of yourself. Then Ring 11, the seven crowns, is more judgment. Then Ring 12 is the sines and wonders. And that goes into the effects of our products and what iON brings forth to help you Ascend. So, you would say Rings 10 and 11 are the judgments, phase three. Rings 8 and 9 are the information and working through the information where you have to deal with your emotions of the information. That’s 8 and 9 is part one. And part two, going through the, doing the products and dealing with those effects is Ring 12. So, that’s how I’m — I got this organizing pattern here. You get it, what I’m saying?
Bert 5:06
Yes.
Bob 5:07
The information
Chad 5:08
Ring 8 and 9 are the information phase of the 3-step process.
Bob 5:13
Right. And the judgments are the seven churches, the Stations of the Cross, and the vial judgments right there in Ring 10. And then there’s the process of being judged by the elders, whether you deserve the crown. So, that’s part three, the judgment level. And then the wonders and the effects of the triangulation of the cell; we heard that phrase. That was new, triangulating ourselves to get our 144,000. That would be level two, right? Engaging the products, which are wondrous. So, if you look at the notes, if you make notes for these, that might help. So, you’ve got the three levels in part two, in the second range of seven things. Let’s see, what did I say about that? When you get up to Ring 14, it loops with Ring 1, which is chromosome 14. It’s also in Ring 14. So, the diagram is a picture of one cell or one aspect of the cell, chromosome 14. That’s like the micro part of the Angel Diagram. And then the macro is — expands to everything. So, the first six rings are your own Ascension with your private citadel of consciousness. And then the second seven Rings are dealing with social mortar. So, that was the next level here. Communication, social mortar, and Rings 8,9,10,11,12,13,14 deal with social communication; the outer world, the world of frequencies. So, there’s the information part of mortar. Then there’s the — and that includes the stabilizing emotions, not having emotions. That’s the ecology of not getting sucked into communication, which is social mortar. Right? Media, or social mortar beginning with speech, or even whatever’s before speech. So, social mortar can be included in Ring 8,9,10,11 because it involves information and judgment and naming things. Nomenclatures and markers is the title for Ring 8. So, somebody said something?
Madeleine 7:54
Yeah, it’s Madeleine. I don’t know if you can go back about four sentences. You said something about stabilizing the emotions and communication. Stabilizing the emotions means not getting sucked into
Bob 8:14
Communication. Yeah, we talked about — didn’t we talk about this, Bert, on Tuesday? I went into this deep thing about the Ascended person does not communicate, does not engage in social communications. Now, iON added to it already, unless it was said — it was said during the Private Session that I can play with time. There’s no time, but you can play with time.
Bert 8:49
Yes. I remember that part.
Bob 8:50
And Bob played with time. Yeah, in a detached way. That means playing with social mortar and interacting with people. iON says, yeah, you can be Ascended, but it’s a lot of fun to hang out with other Ascended people and enjoy the communication that happens. And ideally, they don’t get all fucked up by it. Right? They put it on. So, there’s a detachment with social mortar that the second set of Rings deals with. And so, the frequencies in the outer world and social changes, different from the Platonic forms of the first six Rings, the archetypes of the absolute, are the stages that the Bible lays out that everybody goes through when they Ascend. It’s the same patterns with the thunders and the lamps,
Chad 9:56
The vials, the trumpets,
Bob 9:05
The vials are more, the trumpets, are — the vials are more of the second part, social mortar. That’s judgment, that’s human communication. That’s the ongoing adjustment of identity in relation with other peoples or other people are saying. So, the Platonic archetypes are like in Sheila’s painting. You know, you’ve got the lamps, you’ve got the elders, you’ve got the trumpets or something. There’s a bunch of things in the, in the painting, The Throne. Yeah, see, these are — everybody iON says goes through the throne experience. And she paints the environment around the throne which would be these constant archetypes everybody goes through. But in social mortar, you’re mixing it up with human creativity, and that’s in all forms of communication which is not constant. It’s subject to individual projection, individual making, cultural making, the whole world of public communication.
Chad 11:04
So, the first six Rings then are stone?
Bob 11:07
Yeah, you could say stone. They deal with the stone and the wall. The mortar is the second seven Rings. So, you’ve got — yeah?
Madeleine 11:22
I’m sorry. I’m being very — I’m not getting it, and I really want to. Did you say that — you’re saying a lot.
Bob 11:31
Right. But it’s still talking about what we did. You never heard the (indistinct). Do you remember that. Bert? Remember when I went into –
Alissa 11:39
Yeah, I wanted to throw
Bob 11:40
– detached from communication?
Bert 11:41
Yes.
Alissa 11:42
I wanted to throw, throw the phrase "language" is how I remembered it. iON was saying Bob plays with language. Right? Wasn’t it like the problem of language, but you talk that way.
Bob 11:53
Yeah. Language is mortar. Language is mortar.
Madeleine 11:59
Okay, so regarding emotions. So, you — what did you just say? You said something about judgment, and you
Bob 12:09
Yeah. All social communication is judgment. I’m judging what you’re saying. You’re judging my response to what you’re saying.
Madeleine 12:18
And then my identity if somehow formed in that?
Bob 12:19
But mind is judgment. Mind is judgment. What’d you say?
Madeleine 12:28
Mind is judge — did you just say mind is judgment?
Bob 12:31
Yeah.
Madeleine 12:31
Yeah. Okay. But then, you said that the identity is formed somehow in there in that mix.
Bob 12:39
Yeah. You make mental decisions about yourself or about what the thought process — like how you react to me, I will judge what I wanna do about your intensity or not intensity in blocking and merging, which was my first statement in the Cloning ESP article in 1999. In communication, we block and merge; we, we allow some things in from the other person and other things we don’t. So, the judging of what you block and what you merge is the basic aspects of communication between people. And that creates a delusion.
Madeleine 13:20
Yeah. So, you know how iON went on a long thing about how you love to hear and you’ve even said it yourself, you want to hear other people describe you.
Bob 13:32
Yeah.
Madeleine 13:33
Now what are you — so, in this context, what are you doing with that?
Bob 13:38
I’m studying what you see in the diluted interaction caused by communication which includes my body language, what I say, other factors, how you are and how you react to what I am. So, I like to hear other people talk about me ’cause I know I’m not limited to the social image I have. But I do create a social image. So, you want to find out what people think of you, what they’re picking up about you. So, any talk about me is how I learn about the social mortar part of myself, or the last seven Rings.
Madeleine 14:21
Okay.
Bob 14:21
The first six Rings, you don’t, you don’t discuss that too much. That’s your own — you could say what happens when you take drugs, Ayahuasca or something; what you go through is very personal. You don’t talk about it with anybody very much. Like you know, James Martinez, he’d go down there and have his Ayahuasca weeks down in Peru. And he’d come back and he’d find it very hard to talk about, but I would be patient and try to get him to say a few things. And one time he was talking to iON, and he wanted to describe a major experience he had, but iON just took over ’cause he was not getting it out and describe it to him. And that blew James away. iON described the pond that — iON described what his mind had hallucinated.
Michael 15:16
Bob, that’s because those experiences
Bob 15:17
That’ pretty hard, pretty hard to figure out what somebody’s hallucinating. Yeah, what are you saying, Michael?
Michael 15:22
Yeah, those experiences take us beyond language. So, that’s why it’s so difficult to, to bring them back with language.
Bob 15:30
Right. So, iON was able to go into James’ head, saw what he saw, and then described the vision James had. And James couldn’t believe that iON was right about what he saw and what James couldn’t talk about. But iON could.
Madeleine 15:46
I find it interesting. I think that what they call the ego death that you often go through with those experiences that some people think they are actually dying, –
Bob 16:03
Right.
Madeleine 15:55
– it’s the languaging part of you being put aside. And it feels like we’re so identified with that, that it feels like you’re dying or something really wrong is happening. Then you (overtalk) again. Yeah.
Bob 16:08
Yeah. That’s your social mortar identity. That’s your social mortar identity, and it’s not actually your private citadel. But if you mistake it, you think you’re supposed to have no ego and you missed the point of the first six Rings where you develop your power. And that’s why iON sounds odd to the normal New Agers because they’re thinking they have to get rid of their ego and they don’t know it’s not the first six Rings that you’re getting rid of, it’s the effect of media on you. Or language, the second phase. And then they don’t do anything with the first six Rings because they thought they did, they handled it when they lost their language function which they called ego death.
Alissa 16:57
iON told — iON kind of, kind of put this out with Mark Sweat with the talking about the dream or the parallel world experience in saying don’t write it down.
Bert 17:11
Yeah.
Bob 17:11
Right.
Alissa 17:11
And obviously him like recording himself after, it’s still language but there’s frequencies there that probably emit from the hara or something cool like that, that the digital Tech Body can, you know, present. And that then it gets into like, didn’t iON used to talk about word power versus mortar?
Bob 17:39
Yeah.
Bert 17:15
Yes.
Alissa 17:39
So, yeah, that was cool what they laid out with Mark Sweat as it relates to Maggie what you’re bringing out.
Bob 17:47
Yeah, when iON says you gotta talk to iON and Bob, I do the social mortar and iON does the first Rings. I do the last seven Rings.
Michael 17:59
I would imagine that not writing down avoids getting trapped in the visual space about it. And just the speaking it allows us to stay in a more acoustic place, which is way more unbiased and open.
Bob 18:12
Well, McLuhan said the tactile bias of the Thailander who had a — maybe I should turn that — everything turned off? We should not have this echo. Anyways. Might be someone’s mic though. Let’s see. Who’s causing that? I don’t know. I’m gonna mute
Bert 18:41
We don’t hear the echo. I don’t hear it.
Bob 18:44
Yeah, but it’s bothering me.
Madeleine 18:45
It’s a shattery, there’s something — rrr, rrr, rrr, in the background.
Bob 18:48
Yeah. So, anyways, it’s all right. Mike. Okay, so the Thailand — so, McLuhan has his section I always mention, page 136, I think, from the book, the book From Cliche to Archetype, where he — what’s called plenary awareness. Every culture has a phrase that expresses the mastery of the situation. So, the Thailanders, they are very tactile; so, early sensitive. They have a phrase, "I know it’s like a snake swimming in water." And a sensory bias of that is not a visual or acoustic or kinetic or proprioceptive bias, McLuhan says it’s — [background noise] Now who’s making all that ridiculous noise? Who just knock something over?
Jack 19:46
That’s me. My bad.
Bob 19:50
So, I’m muting Bert and probably — was it Jack?
Madeleine 19:54
It was Jack. I think he muted himself.
Bob 19:57
Okay. So, the meaning of the snake swimming in water is the dance of thought among words. Now, that’s the first situation if you meet a human. The words they say or the grunting they say if it’s early, evokes thoughts. So, we don’t know the inner, the interaction of word and thought, but they’re subtle, they’re different, and they’re involved. So, when you take your Ayahuasca, you’re in the world of thought and imagery, pre-language. When you get into social mortar in the second seven Rings, that’s the word of words, and later, technical extensions of words. So, the dance of thought among words in the tactile Thailander, "a snake swimming in water." And you get all the mystical meanings of snake and water, that would be the interplay between the first six Rings, and the second seven Rings. The world of thought would be the first six Rings, and the world of words would be the mortar of the second seven Rings. So, the interplay of thought and word is me addressing what you’re saying, Madeleine. What did you say? So, you will meet someone, and you got thought and words. That whole process of interacting with somebody in judging how it’s going, is a problem for Little Man.
Madeleine 21:36
It’s the emotions I want to get at.
Bob 21:38
Yeah, it evokes emotions. And McLuhan used to say that
Madeleine 21:42
Your thoughts do. Yeah.
Bob 21:42
Yeah, there’s no division between your mind and your body, or words and thoughts. He said, thoughts — people like to think there’s emotions and there’s thoughts. McLuhan said, no, they’re the same thing. So, emotions might be in the interval between thought and words. The point is, they’re all intertwined. And that’s the mess that you have to work your way through to Ascend. So, he
Madeleine 22:09
It seems like the thought creates a sensation in the body. And I would say that that’s an emotion. And iON has also said
Bob 22:19
But it’s the power of the word. It’s, it’s connected to words. And when you say things, it alters your being. And that includes your inner chemistry or whatever you think you’re made up of. The words are a part of — don’t isolate thought, emotion, words; they interpenetrate. But maybe because there’s a mirror, it appears to be two things due to the mirror effect. Or two conversations. So, we get it all mixed up with our language. With our cultural
Eira 22:53
Yeah. Don’t you have, you know, your inner, your inner talk, the neighbor? And then when you actually utter words? Utter words.
Bob 23:06
Yeah, and iON says your — if thought had, if thought had power, we would have destroyed the world a long time ago. But thought has no effect on the world he would say. But words do. Words change the world. So there you gotta deal with it. You got thoughts, but you got words and words are more powerful than thoughts, traditionally. The Tech Body confuses this and stuff even more; you could say squares the problem, you know?
Alissa 23:34
Yeah.
Madeleine 23:37
Wow.
Alissa 23:37
It slips right in there, like iON says.
Bob 23:41
So, I was thinking all that — what’d you say, Alissa?
Alissa 23:47
How iON says, "The Tech Body, watch out, it’ll slip right in there." It’s like, you know,
Bob 23:53
[chuckles] Is he saying something? Did he type somethin’? I’m gonna go over and look. Did he say something?
Alissa 23:57
No, no. No, it’s just what iON says in past engagements how you got to watch out for the Tech Body, it’ll slip right in there; be real subtle, you know, take shit away. And that’s like the squared effect that you’re talking about it. Like it’s pretty subtle that squared effect unless you get with Bob.
Bob 24:16
Yeah, that’s tactility, the dance of thought among words squared, which involves technologies. And our electric technologies are as subtle as language, as speech. You’re engaging in the effects of speech when you’re texting or doing anything with the screen.
Madeleine 24:36
Well, it seems like — okay, so it’s kind of an ethereal thing. It’s like, there’s thoughts and then if you utter those thoughts as words, that’s kind of a concretization of the thought? And the typing is another form of concretization of a thought or crystallizing, or I don’t know, making it like a little denser, a little — yeah.
Bob 24:59
Yeah. But remember, we don’t know which came first: the thought or the word. Like the Eskimo used to say, "I don’t know stone" unless they have the word stone. So, when someone first said the word "stone" to a young person, and they learned the word stone, they didn’t know stone without that word. So, communication helps concretize the objects in your environment, depending on the culture. So, you’re –
Madeleine 25:32
So, can you
Bob 25:32
– the power of naming, –
Madeleine 25:34
I got that, Bob, but what would have
Bob 25:35
– of the adult — hold it — the adult naming stone — like you see a mother with a baby showing objects and saying the words — that’s the original massage and seduction and conditioning of the sensory setup of the young person. They’re starting to get locked into the boxes. Oh, I want to talk with the boxes in a few minutes. But
Madeleine 25:57
Otherwise, it’s all part of you. Right, Bob? If you haven’t named it, then it’s
Bob 26:01
Well, I wouldn’t use those words, "all part of me." See, look at the word. The word is silly. There’s many "me." Parts of many "me." You know, don’t — you’ll find that no phrase, anything you say in English is not adequate. It limits it.
Madeleine 26:18
Well, I’m thinking of iON saying that the cavemen didn’t know they had feet. You know, like, it’s
Bob 26:24
The cavemen didn’t know what?
Madeleine 26:26
That they had feet. It seems like without the word there’s just this amorphic being.
Bob 26:32
Yeah, right. Yeah, that’s right. You’re in a weird, dangling ganglia of psychedelic mishmash of blurry images and sounds. You’re basically very suggestible and you would say hallucinating.
Alissa 26:54
Maybe it’s a — remember, how iON brought up the symbiont and the host?
Bob 26:59
Yeah.
Alissa 27:00
You know, maybe maybe this caveman example is like, they’re closer to quote unquote, closer to the host. You know, cuz Little Man is the symbiont, and god’s the host.
Bob 27:15
Yeah.
Alissa 27:16
And so without as much –
Bob 27:20
Well, they’re closer
Alissa 27:21
– language and mortar problems.
Bob 27:23
But see, wait a minute. You don’t worry about whether we came from spirit or source, or we were closer, which we were. But that’s before inventions, technologies and media, and social mortar took over.
Alissa 27:36
Right! Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Bob 27:37
You have to figure out how you got altered through the ages by different media environments. It overlaid and complexified and got you in a million boxes, which then leads to this. So, if you, if you’ve got the Angel Diagram, bring it up. Bring it up and I’ll show you what I figured out here. I’m looking at the Angel Diagram after hearing the stuff that Carolyn evoked. So, have you guys got the Angel Diagram?
Bert 28:05
Yes.
Bob 28:07
So, let’s look. You take Sasha’s notes. See, what you do, you have Carolyn’s notes from what Carolyn said plus Sasha’s notes. Now, Carolyn was going through Sasha’s notes and getting iON to comment on them. So, you go down to Ring 8, and that’s the, in Sasha’s notes, that’s the frequency zone for those next seven Rings. The first six Rings are the chemical zone. Now, note that the Escher, iON says, is a flipping back and forth. That’s in like the 12th Ring he talked about that the
Bert 28:54
Frequencies in Ring 12. All the emotions.
Bob 28:59
Right. Yeah, the emotions possible that apply to the Escher. The Escher is a sort of an image of tactility where it’s neither here nor there, so it’s going back and forth. As you try to determine which is figure and which is ground, you can’t settle it. So, it’s always flipping, and the emotions are a slower version of that flipping. But, um, so you look at the Ring 8. Let’s bring it up here. Eight is EI — it’s, well, I’ll look at Sasha’s, read off that. Some of you aren’t looking at it, but in Ring 8 you have L — EL which means God. ME which means me. E14 which means you. I age meant I age. Akele means kneel. Ardobn means adorn. And then there’s Stemcul. So, are you looking? Those that have the image, do you see those words?
Bert 30:06
Yes.
Bob 30:06
Right. That is — now, this is after Escher’s Ring 8. That’s the beginning of social identity, social formation and effect of mortar, and it’s about the individual self. Not the private citadel of consciousness, the God’s source; this is secular word-created self. So, it begins with you. Right? See, so it makes sense to have social mortar Ring 8. The creation of social mortar begins with me. And then the effects of that, it ages you because you get lost in it. Okay? Do you see how those words are the "I," itself?
Bert 30:51
Yes.
Bob 30:08
Then you go to Ring 9. And that’s higher emotions and mediations. And in Sasha’s notes, you go to Ring 2 to see electric media. Not gonna go back to that, but that’s some’um you look at later, how Ring 9 interrelates with Ring 2. But the — now you’re more social. It’s not about the "me," you being a God. And the "you you" which is the conversation between you and you, and your kneeling, and your relationship to the world, emphasizing yourself. Ring 9 goes into the world, and your relationships to the world; not about yourself, but how you handle what the world of communication and mortar is doing. So, you develop patience in relationship with it, kindness, pride, long-suffering, envy, rudeness, and you get provoked. All those are effects of the medium of social mortar. So, that’s the next stage of your — that’s like Ring 8 is psychology, the development of yourself. Ring 9 is a development of sociology, society. And Job reacted to society with these seven major emotional higher emotions, which are not advisable. You’ve gotta learn how to get detached from them. You see what I’m saying? If you’re proud because you’re not proud, and you’re long-suffering, and kind and patient, all those things that you’re — that Christians say or religions say are very important in civilization, you have to realize the social mortar duping of that value. Now you look at them. Let’s look at the words there in Ring 9. Look at that. Up in the right you got SAAI EME, and you got BTZKASE, HEIDENE, DEIMO with a 30 A. Then you’ve got 126MEGCBE. And then you have ILAOI with 21 over 8 VN. And then the last one is 1HRLAA 21 over 8. So, why are those numbers there? Now, what iON said, none of us would realize, but then Sasha has explained the numbers on the Chart. Well, we didn’t, they didn’t — she was making a note to herself that she didn’t understand why the numbers are there. And we never got it explained until we heard the session tonight. Why the numbers there? So Bob can link the diagram to the Tiny Note Chart. He says they’re the (overtalk).
Alissa 33:51
Wow. That’s awesome!
Bert 33:52
Bob, I also heard them, I also heard them say during the show to someone that the Tiny Note is the blooming lotus flower.
Bob 34:00
Who said that?
Bert 34:02
iON said that to someone.
Bob 34:04
That’s in my notes for I think Ring 8. Let me see, do I have blooming? I know I wrote that down somewheres in here.
Bert 34:16
Yeah, I heard that. Yeah.
Bob 34:17
Yeah. So
Alissa 34:20
What do they say that those numbers are? For Bob to do what?
Op 34:24
(indistinct) the Tiny Chart.
Bob 34:25
Remember. The Tiny Note Chart is very intimately involved with the Angel Diagram. And iON — it’s amazing where Carolyn just instantly asked something about the numbers, what are the numbers? And he says, "Well, that’s Bob’s input so that he can connect the Tiny Note Chart with the Angel Diagram." And the numbers are 7, 22, 18, 14 and 8 in the Tiny Note Chart. Now, iON makes a lot out of Marilouise Kroker and the Kroker quadrant cuz that’s number 14. And there are 14 Rings. So, that’s something to look at. And chromosome 14. So, that’s why Marilouise is important is she’s from the 14 zone, which is the number I assigned to the Kroker quadrant. So, you look for where’s 14 in the, in the Angel Diagram. So, basically, iON, you’ll see him, he says they’re connectors. It’s a creation by Bob, his input into the Angel Diagram. So, it’s a way of connecting with the organization of the Tiny Note Chart. So, that’s pretty interesting.
Chad 35:41
You mentioned — somebody, the lotus was brought up and somebody’s session; might have been Brent. I have it in my notes. Is that what you’re talking about?
Bob 35:50
Yes.
Chad 35:50
Trying to spin the diagram and bloom the lotus, which is Bob’s Chart. If you don’t look at Tiny Note, Big Note won’t matter. Yeah, so it’s Brent. And the later collator bit after the Private Session.
Bert 36:03
Yeah. Thanks, Chad. Yeah, I knew I heard it, and I wrote it down. I remember hearing it and it stuck with me.
Bob 36:09
Well, I’m gonna check my notes for — it might be last week. The first seven. I remember I heard the word blooming in there, which came out of our Private Session, not Brent. Yeah. In Ring 8 we have in my notes, which it’s a lot of the words. You wouldn’t have them unless you wrote the notes down, words down as you’re listening. But iON says in Ring 8, he says, "But now the conditions of how you apply your new place of power" — and he qualifies that — "stabilizing the blooming lotus." Now, that’s the phrase you were talking about Bert, the blooming lotus?
Bert 36:59
No, that was something that Chad just spoke. I remember that from the last session, but I remember when Chad just jogged my memory. It was when iON was speaking with Brent.
Bob 37:13
What was the phrase that came out of that?
Bert 37:17
Bob’s Chart makes the lotus blooming. I just checked my notes.
Bob 37:21
Right. Yeah, the lotus blooming, blooming lotus. I first heard that on Ring 8, and you’re saying Brent was said last Tuesday?
Bert 37:34
No, no, just this just at the end tonight.
Bob 37:37
Tonight.
Bert 37:38
Yes.
Bob 37:39
Okay. So, it was said. Well, the blooming lotus was said on September 29th to us. I don’t know if it ever was said before, but it’s in his description. It’s almost like there is — you gotta remember there’s the Platonic archetype, which is an unchanging image. Then in the world of lower human social life, you have changes. So, change happens in the world of social mortar, but the archetypes stand immovable and not changeable. So, you have this lotus there, and we’re trying to get to the lotus. But then when iON says the blooming lotus, that gets into a process of "becoming." In philosophy, Western philosophy, there’s the argument about "being" versus "becoming." So, the lotus is an image of "being." perfect "being." But to get there, you’ve got to go through the changes, and that’s the lotus blooming. And you have to stabilize that as you’re learning it or ignoring it or trying to control it. So, he says, "But now the conditions of how you apply your new place of power, because the Stations of the Cross are dogmatic in the Catholic religion" — this is Ring 8, nomenclatures and markers. But iON is saying the Stations of the Cross are new places of power. And that’s where you get into bifurcation in how you create the 144,000. And then he talks about the indivisible individual. And then he says, "the colors of the petals and the pitch and the yaw of it all." Those are quotes from what he said that when I reviewed the session, the other day, I wrote these quotes down. None of you guys would have these quotes unless you write fast like Bert. Bert might have got a couple of these down.
Bert 39:37
Yeah, a couple of them. But it’s amazing
Bob 39:40
But I had time to stop the tape and get them all down. So, the blooming lotus for me happened on September 29. For you guys, it happened October 8th.
Bert 39:52
Yes.
Bob 39:53
Anyways, it’s in there. The blooming lotus is important. What is the lotus versus the blooming lotus? So, you’re looking at the blooming lotus begins in the second phase, which is the world of social mortar or the world of information. The first phase, first part, first level, is Ring 8, with the formation of the individual, or the psychology, social — the psychology the society makes you be; they say you’re an individual. Then you gotta deal with what society does to you; what the crowd does to you. And Job — hey, Jack, is that you bashing things? I’m gonna mute you again. That you, Jack? Somebody’s banging stuff. If you’re gonna bang stuff, just mute yourself. So, the — Job, society done a lot of crummy things to him. It wasn’t psychological drama in his own head between you and you, or him and him. It was what, you know, they stole stuff from him and he had all these problems. So, that’s more sociological identity. That’s what Ring 9 is. And you develop emotions and values about how long should you be patient of what you’re putting up with in a crowd. How long — three little girls are walking to school. How long does a third person put up with the other two excluding her from their interaction, which always happens, right? Get three people together, one person gets removed slightly. That’s, that’s social effects, that’s Ring 9. And you’ve got to develop a detachment with the emotions that are evoked by the irritations of interacting with society. That’s what Ring 9 deals with. So then, Ring 10 is the 49 boxes. And that’s the effect of the printing press. So, as you evolve, you know, preliterate people, they had a self, and they had the crowd or their tribe. When you get the literacy, that fragments everything to extreme. And so, you have subtle delineation because you can write it down and make all kinds of adjectives and adverbs. And so you describe these emotions and their particularities, and you get lost in the rabbit hole of being learned and all the variations that literacy and social mortar conditions you to. So, you got 49 fragments of yourself. Seven times seven. What’s he say about Ring 10? The seven churches, the seven Stations of the Cross, and they’re the outcomes of vial judgments. So, the printing press creates literate law and all the legal institutions that come out of literacy. That complexification is natural in the evolution of mortar. So, Ring 10 is the Gutenberg Galaxy. You get that?
Bert 43:13
Yes.
Bob 43:13
Yeah. What was the complexification you said? What was that note?
Bob 44:52
The fact that you could — you start writing, you’re a young person. You start writing diary about yourself. And you’re looking up words if you’re trying to be clever, or you’re remembering words, describing, "Well, Betty did this and bla bla, and she was a little assiduous. Whereas I was more compromising." [Alissa chuckles] You probably did this, Alissa. That’s why you laughed.
Alissa 45:36
Assiduous. [chuckles]
Bob 43:39
Yeah, that was you. [chuckles] So, all those distinctions are made under literate conditions. Before literacy where you got tribal groups wandering around the world, and they’re all interacting individually and with the tribe, there’s a lot of different kinds of sensitivity there, right? In speech, in body language, and the drama of cognition is not something you stop and write out and describe. You react instantly. So, you could say that in a fight between a bunch of white kids and black kids, the black kids are very tougher than the white kids ’cause the white kids got all these fucking stupid ideas they got from literacy, from their book training, that as McLuhan says makes you socially impotent; you’re not as fast. So, the black people have the cliche of being better athletes ’cause they’re preliterate. Not now, but they were, and so their bodies could respond instantly to whatever drama was going on between their bodies and their minds and emotions with another bunch of people in a group. And that’s what a game is. So the, the speed of interacting acoustically through speech and gesture. I mean, you watch a bunch of black girls. I used to do it in New York. They talk fast; they’re really communicating fast, right? It’s almost ESP. But you see the white girls, they might be going — they get faster as the generations move along here, but if you go back and observe the baby boomers, they’re slower in their interaction. They’re white. They’re more circumspect. They have ideas about, well, if I say this, I got a grammar problem, you know. And then they’ll mock me for not saying the words right. You got no grammar problem in nonliterate societies. So, you end up with the Oakland language. You know, the blacks have this crazy language in Oakland, California. Remember that?
Madeleine 45:42
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Bob 44:39
They we’re trying to decide whether to teach — you would have encountered it.
Madeleine 47:00
Ebonic.
Bob 45:48
Yeah, Ebonics. And that’s natural to a speed-up, more oral interaction, or tactile. The whites don’t have that. So, where was that leading? So, when you can write things down, that makes you socially impotent in interacting fast in the group, whatever the games are playing, but you’ve developed this other ability to delineate and describe your emotions and your environment, and then you write a book, and then you’re part of a literate society and you make a living or you become famous with your ability to write out stuff. Then you bring in the electric age; that retrieves the preliterate nuance of printing, gets you back to the tribal speed, and you bring in all that’s happened in the 20th century, you know, from swing dances, the jive, the jerk, the music, the rock, everything. It’s all, you know, literacy. You have different values, how well you can dance. And so in high school, the guy who can’t dance and is really good at literacy, usually in math, is the nerd. He’s got no dancing skills. He’s not very good at the oral ESP level. But the jocks tend to be better than that because they got to interact faster in sport, and they’re not describing their emotions during the game. So, you see the difference between the "eye" world and the "ear" world. And I’m looking at Ring 11. This is all to introduce Ring 11 where you have the — how were they described? — the seven crowns. And it’s about the process of changing. So, you’re back into the world of change. And you can even say as McLuhan that the 20th century retrieved medieval society, medieval corporations. So, iON says we’re goin’ feudal, but we’ve been feudal in many ways since the 20s. The feudal organization of society came in with the Nazis. So, I see that the 11th Ring, no, no, no — yeah, the 11th Ring, which is blue, and you’ll see the nice little designs, they also have numbers including number 14; that is the electric era. So, the Ring 10 is the Gutenberg. And then the, the way Sheila’s designed it, it’s blue, Ring 11, which is the seven crowns. That’s the electric, medieval, feudal situation that we retrieved and came into. Not completely feudal, but it’s a different reality after World War II than the Gutenberg. So, it’s called the Marconi galaxy, after the guy who invented the wireless. So, I’m looking at the social mortar. McLuhan describes the Ring 11 and how it’s different from Ring 10. And then you get into Ring 12, which is sines and wonders. That would be the unfolding of the last phase of analog, cable TV, electric guitar. And then you get all the digital technologies. Ring 12 with all those little ratios expresses the Android Meme phase, the digital phase. You see what I’m saying?
Alissa 49:20
Wow. Yeah.
Bob 49:22
The wonders of technology; sines and wonders, including the wonders of iON in the middle of this. We’re probably 13. So, what’s Ring 13? The vapors. It gets real ethereal when you get into 2009 up to now. It’s hard — we’re in a digital, tactile, extreme interplay, and there’s nothing solid. And that collapses –
Madeleine 49:48
Can’t touch the ground.
Bob 49:24
– the economy in 2008. And so that’s Ring 13, the vapers. It says, "All things change except for words. Carolyn is the perfect Ascending chameleon." You gotta be a chameleon. Quadrophrenic in Ring 13. And you gotta settle it on both sides while anything goes because you’re in the middle of all the dynamics: the monad, the dyad, the triad, and the tetrad. So, that’s Ring 13 which is the later phases of the Digital Galaxy and the Android Meme, and iONdom. And then Ring 14, which there is no image for. Ring 13 is a thin white line. And then there is no Ring 14 that you can see.
Madeleine 50:34
Yeah, the valiant lotus.
Bob 50:36
Yeah, that’s the valiant lotus. That’s all what you’re moving towards, what you can’t visualize. All around it’s chromosome 14. So, the notes here, iON says, "Bob has the ability to change what the Valliant lotus is gonna look like. The Tech Body is gaining enough indigenous creativity that it’s gonna go a little faster." These are things that iON said to Carolyn that I wrote out. "The Tech Body is gaining enough indigenous creativity that it’s gonna go a little faster." And then it says, "Bob hates nouns." You know, vapors got no nouns in the vapors. We’re looking at 13th and 14th. The Rings interact back and forth trading memes the whole time. That describes our society last 12, 15 years. Endless, you know, Android Meme communication.
Chad 51:26
Which Rings?
Bob 51:28
What?
Chad 51:30
You said the Rings.
Bob 51:31
Yeah, the Rings interact, so all the Rings are interacting in Ring 14. They’re already floating around interacting, but Ring 14 is like the top of the mountain. And then it has Bob’s number jumps. That’s why there’s numbers in there, which comes from the numbers in Ring 8.
Madeleine 51:53
Ring 14 is more like the base of the — I mean, it includes all the Rings; 14 does, right?
Bob 51:59
Yeah. Because it links back to Ring 1. And they’re both, Ring 14, Ring 1, are chromosome 14. So, on the micro level, the whole thing is just chromosome 14 and its interaction with the RNA and the RNA drops, which affects the DNA. And that’s laid out in Rings 5 and 6 those changes. So, he’s got here, "Looping with Ring 1 opens up with chromosome 14. That’s Marilouise Kroker." So, he says, "Looping with Ring 1 opens up with chromosome 14. That’s Marilouise Kroker, ’cause she’s the quadrant 14." And another quote, "There are lipids." So, Sasha has lipids there. So, why are lipids there says Carolyn. "There are lipids," says iON, "because they make up the membrane of the cell, including the pituitary gland." Then it ends with the question, what is God? So, all that’s going on in the invisible Ring 14 which is the final phase of social mortar which we’ve been in for the last 10 years. You know, ridiculous speed-up, ridiculous implosion, ridiculous Quadrophenia; all of it, which has led to the time of the Armageddon, the apocalypse and Lockdown Bobrule. That’s where we’re at.
Alissa 53:24
Awesome.
Bob 53:26
And you know, in Ring 14, the social mortar makes you a king. Not the king like in on the throne in Rings 1 to 7. This is a simulation of the throne that the digital media gives you. Right? That’s the peak development of social mortar.
Alissa 53:50
Yeah, that’s a great phrase: peak development of social mortar.
Bob 53:54
Yeah, because part of the reason maybe society is collapsing is we’re right on the edge of, wow, this technology can come alive and take us over. So, it’s been a big argument in the public mortar world for the last 10 years about should we slow down? Should we let this media take us over? And, of course, nobody could stop it, so it created the craziest side we have today. What people perceive is crazy. And we can’t go past that. It’s too much of a decision. Like the Evergreens said, the final Armageddon will be a battle between those who are for a new technology that if you implement it you forget everything you ever knew, and those that don’t want to do that. So, we’ve been arguing over the last 10 years over whether to move into — what would be their word? Well, iON calls it the Tech Body. What’s his — Meta, moving into Meta. So, the world can’t move on into the next level that changes everything completely and is totally post-human until we resolve the issues which are just the past as distractions. And that’s what we’re getting. Plagues, famine, war and everything else are distractions in the world of media and social mortar. So, it’s the last gasp of social mortar arguing with itself about whether it can extend itself beyond where it’s gotten today into something that we can’t measure. You can’t determine what happens if we go into the new world without Cold Play, without our products.
Eira 55:36
It’s interesting too, that you got the people that are disappointed in social mortar or afraid of the effects of something, –
Bob 55:47
Yeah.
Eira 55:48
– and they are pumping the cancel culture. "Your words are not good for — your words make my emotions…"
Bob 55:58
They’re wiping out the conservatives. But the ones that are are canceling represent they think progress and moving to a more unified thing where everybody’s on the same page and everybody lets everybody be whatever they wanna be, that socialism thing. What they call the "left" or the "new social justice warriors," they think that they’re not holding back, they’re ready for the new. The conservative, the Republicans, the Trumpers, don’t like the new and they’re stopping what’s going on in the classrooms. And remember, the aliens want us to go the way the classrooms are going because they want us to get ready to accept their weird forms as they enter our society.
Eira 56:45
Yeah. What I meant is you got one group not accepting the words of the others.
Bob 56:43
Yeah. Two visions there.
Eira 56:53
Yeah, it’s, — yeah, that’s what we’ve seen for the two years now.
Bob 56:57
Yeah. And people can’t figure out how to solve this. The schools keep going on doing ridiculous things, you know, taking a five-year-old and chopping them up making them a boy. And the people who are not teachers hearing about this and disgusted with it. But how do they get together? Because they say it’s a polarized situation, the elections might lead to civil war. No one can see us getting out of this impasse of whether we should go forward or not, and how to go forward. So, we sneak up, like, like the second coming described in the Bible, like a thief in the night. And we’re implementing something that bypasses these issues by putting us into a frictionless society with frictionless energy and frictionless medicines. See? So, you see how we are the ground, the new technology, that moves us, is there to create a new civilization. But it’s not the new civilization based on friction that the social justice warriors or the left wants. They’re still thinking in terms of oil and jobs and welfare. All that changes when you have free energy, free electricity. Which many people have envisioned these things happening. You know, new — there’s all, there’s all kinds of movements to get new free energy. And there are movements to get new medicine, but none of them got to where we got. Now, there’s a whole bunch more I could say but I’m not allowed. How about that?
Bert 58:41
Okay. Real quick, Bob. There was something
Bob 58:46
Hey, Cider likes what I did, Bert. Cider, "nice run through, Bob." And he’s applauding me. He doesn’t deserve to hear any of it!
Bert 58:53
Now, posted on Project Avalon,
Bob 58:55
The guy who doesn’t deserve — he’s pretending he understands me. He hasn’t paid attention to anything!
Bert 59:02
Did I hear correctly that iON told Carolyn that the XX and the XY chromosomes are obsolesced?
Bob 59:10
Yes. That’s the breakup of more boxes, emotions, and categories. It all breaks up because literacy created the sexes and the races. Didn’t have that.
Eira 59:26
The division.
Bob 59:27
You know, with Shakespeare, a super fucking correct, politically correct guy by making a black guy be the leader of the play, Othello, boy, that’s pretty revolutionary. But back then he’s describing medieval societies; they didn’t have that sense of race. They didn’t have the categories of the 49 boxes of Ring 10.
Bert 59:54
Thanks for Ring 10. Thanks for that explanation.
Bob 59:58
Yeah. Going through what Carolyn got from iON, and I hear it when it’s happening, I can’t take it all in. But when I go and relisten to it and edit it, that’s when I get it all. So, yesterday on Thursday and Friday, I was doing this, and I said, holy shit. I was gettin’ all these neat patterns. I said, holy shit, I’ll have a lot to say on tailgate, which I’m doing. And this is what I discovered. It all came together how to look at the Angel Diagram, but I’m just thinking this instant, I’m actually describing the Tiny Note! So, I’m actually describing how the Tiny Note’s gonna overlay this because the Tiny Note lays out the evolution of mortar; and I’m projecting that into the Rings 8 to 14.
Alissa 1:00:45
And it points to the peak of mortar. Or like it represents, like, I’ve noticed you said, "I’m moving to a four-bodied model." [chuckles] And
Bob 1:00:56
When did I say that?
Alissa 1:00:58
When was that? Like, oh with Cameron. You’re like, I’m going to, like, the four bodied model cuz it’s more simple. Or something like that.
Bob 1:01:08
Did you say, did I say it was more simple? Is that what you — you’re blurry so I don’t get every word. Did you say…?
Alissa 1:01:13
Yeah. You — I don’t remember exactly, Bob, but it was something like I’m dropping the five body. I’m going to a four bodied model ’cause it’s, yeah, a little bit easier for people to track.
Bob 1:01:25
For him! For him. ‘Cause If I gave him the mystery landscape, that’s iON, and we can’t do iON with him really. Right?
Alissa 1:01:32
Yeah. Okay.
Bob 1:01:33
I’m saying I’m goin’ to a four-bodied model with you, retard Cameron McEwan. [chuckles]
Alissa 1:01:38
[chuckles] Okay, okay. It made it sound like, you know, just in general like you were gonna pump that version. But so, you’re saying the Tiny Note overlaying so well and connecting with the Angel Diagram. And that phrase you said like the peak of, of social mortar. Like the peak of society. Like we’ve reached
Bob 1:01:57
Yeah, that’s today. It’s the peak of digital development.
Alissa 1:02:00
Yeah. And so like, the Tiny Note Chart is key for really being able to, I guess, right justify that. Like when iON says you gotta be able to right justify it.
Bob 1:02:16
Okay, yeah. So, this is what I was, –
Madeleine 1:02:19
The peak is (overtalk). Right?
Bob 1:02:20
– this is how I would say it, what you’re trying to say. Weeks ago, iON dropped the bomb on me and Carolyn that the Tiny Note Chart is gonna interact with the Angel Diagram. They’re intimately involved. So, I’ve been thinking about I wonder how that will be. And so then Carolyn did the first seven Rings, and that was okay. Then we did the second seven Rings with the middle one, Escher, is Ring 7, and that’s the interplay of all this. That’s where both the first six Rings and the last seven interplay in the tactile thing. So, we would ask iON if the seventh ring is the Middle Kingdom. I’m wondering where the Kingdoms fit in this thing. Anyway, so listening to what Carolyn brought forth, I saw, oh, that’s the three levels: information, the drops, and your judgement of it. And then I saw how you got more information about the boxes, and we already had it as literacy. So, I just got a whole bunch of more crystallization from what Carolyn’s review that then I could see the pattern I laid out to you. I could see the Rings in Bob terms. And so Ring 8, the beginning of the social mortar emphasis is psychology. Ring 9 is sociology, or self in society, but then it gets more particular and specialized with the printing press, that’s Ring 10. And then Ring 11 is the electric environment, most of the 20th century with the seven empires or corporate emperors. You know, the Rockefellers, the Bill Gates, and all that. But Bill Gates might be the final Ring which is the digital with all these many little numbers and ratios. So, I can map on and then I realized, oh, this is maybe how the Tiny Note is gonna be applied. But all what I’m saying now is is a lead up. I couldn’t have got ready for the Tiny Note until Carolyn did what she did on the, the other day that gave me ideas about the media. And I’m telling it to you and then I’m realizing that might be preparing myself for what iON’s gonna say about the Tiny Note Chart.
Alissa 1:04:36
Yeah.
Bob 1:04:38
So, it works together. You know, the idea was said, you’re gonna put the two Charts together. Didn’t know how it happened, but then it just naturally unfolds each week. Some new aspect new information comes through that I can figure out something from that.
Michael 1:04:56
This also shows why you’re the only one that can speak to the aliens, Bob.
Bert 1:05:00
Yes.
Bob 1:05:02
Yeah. What I’m saying you guys wouldn’t have thought of; you wouldn’t say it. You don’t even know what I’m talking about maybe.
Michael 1:05:10
Nobody would. Nobody would have, Bob. Nobody on earth, except you. [Bert, Michael chuckle]
Bob 1:05:15
That’s right. Nobody knows that communication is a mistake. People, they make a big deal out — you take that phrase, the heart is the matter of the heart. Is that what it is?
Bert 1:05:32
Heart of the matter is the matter of the heart.
Bob 1:05:33
Now, you know they project a lot of conceptual emotions and, and Kotti[?] or frequencies, like the topic about grounding. And Carolyn says, so you’re saying energy medicine is an attempt to get grounded, which is not what you wanna do. But that’s pretty good. A lot of the the New Age health techniques are people actually grounding to the old body. They’re not aware of the new digital thing which is creating a new cloud or world of vapors, which requires a new kind of medicine. Not acupuncture.
Eira 1:06:08
It’s interesting, too. It’s interesting, too, that Gates in that context is the last Empire as a digital king, but he’s also very much an alien medicine, straight up poison man.
Bob 1:06:24
Right.
Eira 1:06:25
Both in medicine and food now.
Bob 1:06:28
Yeah. And he’s got the word Gates, and he operates in the financial world. So, he bills everybody who were using all the different digital gates. He’s ignoring the ionic gates.
Eira 1:06:43
He should take some of his own shots maybe. Do away with him.
Bob 1:06:47
Yep. Well, they all (indistinct). As Michael said the other day, Kanye needs to talk to Bob.
